Comments on: Boo-urns? http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/ By boys who like boys who like hockey Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:37:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Mark417 http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-305 Mark417 Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:45:48 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-305 Nicely stated Spirit, and with stats to back it up too. "For the love of Langway" may be my new grief exclamation. Very Liz Lemon-y Nicely stated Spirit, and with stats to back it up too. “For the love of Langway” may be my new grief exclamation. Very Liz Lemon-y

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By: CapitalSpirit http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-301 CapitalSpirit Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:56:07 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-301 I got to DC during the lockout, and was signed up for season tickets by the end of Ovechkin's rookie year, so I've seen a lean season or two. (Had to duck a fight in 417 during a Pens visit once...good times. Not.) Let's be frank: the Capitals had not been scoring very well at home by the time the boo birds came out during the Islanders game. Some numbers: MoJo's shorty against Pittsburgh came at 3:56 of the 2nd period on February 6th. Not counting an insurance empty-netter in that game, it would be another 77:10 before the Caps got the puck by an opposing goalie. That was Ovechkin's quick strike against LA, 1:06 into the first. The next time the Caps scored on an opposing goalie was 178:06 later, which was the equalizer against the Islanders. All told, between the Penguins game on February 6th and the Islanders game on March 1st--nearly a full calendar month--the Capitals had gone an aggregate stretch of 255:16 at home--the equivalent of FOUR GAMES AND CHANGE--while getting exactly one puck by the other team's netminder, and even THAT was in a horrific 4-1 defeat. To say that doesn't cut it...doesn't cut it. And fans have really only one way to make that point emphatically clear: booing. And I will ABSOLUTELY boo the Caps if they earn it. Shut out by San Jose...gave away 4 unanswered to Los Angeles...shut out by the Rangers...and now struggling against the <i>ISLANDERS,</i> for the love of Langway?! Oh, no. HECK, no. I'm voicing my displeasure, loudly, and with a squeaky-clean conscience. I don't know about you, but I'm living and dying on every possession when I'm watching a Caps game in person. And some of the Caps' home losses in February were, literally, painful to watch. To see this team that I love playing that badly, at home, is just depressing. Sometimes, it felt like the crowd cared more than the players did. And we're the ones who are paying to get in--we're not getting paid to be there. So, yeah, I think some of the booing was deserved, and I also don't think that was entirely the behavior of fair weather fans. I would submit, rather, the opposite: that when the fans think (correctly or not) that they care more than the players they're paying money to see, they NEED to be able to show their displeasure at that. You don't boo your own team because you hate them: you boo them because they're not playing like the team you still love. If that makes ANY sense... I got to DC during the lockout, and was signed up for season tickets by the end of Ovechkin’s rookie year, so I’ve seen a lean season or two. (Had to duck a fight in 417 during a Pens visit once…good times. Not.)

Let’s be frank: the Capitals had not been scoring very well at home by the time the boo birds came out during the Islanders game. Some numbers: MoJo’s shorty against Pittsburgh came at 3:56 of the 2nd period on February 6th. Not counting an insurance empty-netter in that game, it would be another 77:10 before the Caps got the puck by an opposing goalie. That was Ovechkin’s quick strike against LA, 1:06 into the first. The next time the Caps scored on an opposing goalie was 178:06 later, which was the equalizer against the Islanders. All told, between the Penguins game on February 6th and the Islanders game on March 1st–nearly a full calendar month–the Capitals had gone an aggregate stretch of 255:16 at home–the equivalent of FOUR GAMES AND CHANGE–while getting exactly one puck by the other team’s netminder, and even THAT was in a horrific 4-1 defeat.

To say that doesn’t cut it…doesn’t cut it. And fans have really only one way to make that point emphatically clear: booing. And I will ABSOLUTELY boo the Caps if they earn it. Shut out by San Jose…gave away 4 unanswered to Los Angeles…shut out by the Rangers…and now struggling against the ISLANDERS, for the love of Langway?! Oh, no. HECK, no. I’m voicing my displeasure, loudly, and with a squeaky-clean conscience.

I don’t know about you, but I’m living and dying on every possession when I’m watching a Caps game in person. And some of the Caps’ home losses in February were, literally, painful to watch. To see this team that I love playing that badly, at home, is just depressing. Sometimes, it felt like the crowd cared more than the players did. And we’re the ones who are paying to get in–we’re not getting paid to be there.

So, yeah, I think some of the booing was deserved, and I also don’t think that was entirely the behavior of fair weather fans. I would submit, rather, the opposite: that when the fans think (correctly or not) that they care more than the players they’re paying money to see, they NEED to be able to show their displeasure at that.

You don’t boo your own team because you hate them: you boo them because they’re not playing like the team you still love. If that makes ANY sense…

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By: Rusty Shackelford http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-297 Rusty Shackelford Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:00:18 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-297 I don't partake in booing but can understand, to an extent, where it comes from. That being said, it's harder to swallow given that the majority of the current Caps fanbase are people who jumped in the bandwagon in the spring of 2008 when the team turned into winners and contenders. They actively ignored and didn't have to sit through some of the teams that preceeded the "rock the red" era in Washington. Their booing isn't driven by the frustrations of the long time hockey fan, but the self entitled nature of the fair weather fan who wants to be a part of Caps hockey since it's the "in" thing right now in DC, and need to root for a winning team in order to make it worth their while. Not that there's anyway to control this, but the unofficial rule should be that long time fans can boo all they want, post 2008 fans should kindly STHU and be grateful they found a good team to watch after they quit being Redskins fans. I don’t partake in booing but can understand, to an extent, where it comes from. That being said, it’s harder to swallow given that the majority of the current Caps fanbase are people who jumped in the bandwagon in the spring of 2008 when the team turned into winners and contenders.

They actively ignored and didn’t have to sit through some of the teams that preceeded the “rock the red” era in Washington. Their booing isn’t driven by the frustrations of the long time hockey fan, but the self entitled nature of the fair weather fan who wants to be a part of Caps hockey since it’s the “in” thing right now in DC, and need to root for a winning team in order to make it worth their while.

Not that there’s anyway to control this, but the unofficial rule should be that long time fans can boo all they want, post 2008 fans should kindly STHU and be grateful they found a good team to watch after they quit being Redskins fans.

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By: Doug http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-296 Doug Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:58:17 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-296 I think someone's booing the girls! Seriously, we do get the satisfaction of a lusty BOOO! here and there. We're gay - not schoolmarms. Fascinated by the discussion...really welcome it all. I think someone’s booing the girls!
Seriously, we do get the satisfaction of a lusty BOOO! here and there. We’re gay – not schoolmarms. Fascinated by the discussion…really welcome it all.

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By: Mark417 http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-295 Mark417 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:52:44 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-295 I booed the Caps once and hated myself the next morning. It's not my cuppa. But on Tuesday when the boos started raining down during the INSANELY inept PP in the 3rd (it was oddly spontaneous, wasn't it?) I just laughed. The Caps had prior to that actually played a pretty darn good game. What no one has yet mentioned is that the crowd gave the team a standing round of applause during the middle of the first because they played inspired hockey. There was no goal, just a solid team effort that we haven't seen much around these parts lately. And people liked it. It's been especially frustrating the last few months watching this team play. From early Dec. thru Tuesday, when my fanny has been in a Verizon seat, I had been treated to a 2-6-6 Caps record. (I was out of town for a couple of games and missed 3 wins and a loss. I'm unlucky that way.) There have been some bad bounces, some streaky goalies and a whole lotta Caps low energy suck. So when my team doesn't seem to be putting forth much effort for weeks on end? I understand where it comes from but, I won't boo. It did result in me leaving a hockey game early for the first time (Friday after two and being surrounded by gleeful Blueshirts) and I'm betting there is going to be a much lower renewal rate for this year's STH. I booed the Caps once and hated myself the next morning. It’s not my cuppa.

But on Tuesday when the boos started raining down during the INSANELY inept PP in the 3rd (it was oddly spontaneous, wasn’t it?) I just laughed. The Caps had prior to that actually played a pretty darn good game. What no one has yet mentioned is that the crowd gave the team a standing round of applause during the middle of the first because they played inspired hockey. There was no goal, just a solid team effort that we haven’t seen much around these parts lately. And people liked it.

It’s been especially frustrating the last few months watching this team play. From early Dec. thru Tuesday, when my fanny has been in a Verizon seat, I had been treated to a 2-6-6 Caps record. (I was out of town for a couple of games and missed 3 wins and a loss. I’m unlucky that way.) There have been some bad bounces, some streaky goalies and a whole lotta Caps low energy suck. So when my team doesn’t seem to be putting forth much effort for weeks on end?

I understand where it comes from but, I won’t boo. It did result in me leaving a hockey game early for the first time (Friday after two and being surrounded by gleeful Blueshirts) and I’m betting there is going to be a much lower renewal rate for this year’s STH.

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By: Jeremy http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-294 Jeremy Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:43:25 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-294 @Craig Girl, keep drinking Ted's Kool Aid. Ted posts something on booing the very same day you do and he gets ONE response (it's positive/pro Ted, shocker!!) while you get MORE THAN TWENTY? I'm sure Puck Buddys is growing in popularity, especially after today. But Ted has a much larger audience (ask him, he'll tell you) and he gets a single response on a hot button issue? And, funny how "Don't Boo Angie" had her comment listed at Ted's Take and NOBODY representing the "Pro Boo Community" makes it to Ted's blog. I sure don't see anything I sent. If you think Transparency Ted includes ALL responses he gets (like you do at your site), you're the last girl at the club when the lights come on. @Craig

Girl, keep drinking Ted’s Kool Aid.

Ted posts something on booing the very same day you do and he gets ONE response (it’s positive/pro Ted, shocker!!) while you get MORE THAN TWENTY?

I’m sure Puck Buddys is growing in popularity, especially after today. But Ted has a much larger audience (ask him, he’ll tell you) and he gets a single response on a hot button issue? And, funny how “Don’t Boo Angie” had her comment listed at Ted’s Take and NOBODY representing the “Pro Boo Community” makes it to Ted’s blog. I sure don’t see anything I sent.

If you think Transparency Ted includes ALL responses he gets (like you do at your site), you’re the last girl at the club when the lights come on.

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By: Craig http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-293 Craig Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:53:37 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-293 Just the sort of comment we thought this would spark. Kudos and thanks to all. What struck us most on Tuesday was the spontaneity of the outburst (as if we've never seen a crappy PP before), out of nowhere it filled the arena. We were more surprised than anything else because it seemed so out of character. I stand by the characterization as 'classless' given the circumstances of Tuesday's game. Givens: We all pay dearly for those seats. We all want to see the Caps crush the opposition. Some have said booing is the only way to let management/ownership know we're not happy with the team's performance. I don't agree. There are plenty of avenues for that, as evidenced here: http://www.tedstake.com/2011/03/03/boooo-2/ @Dave: Do credentialed journalists who cover the game have special considerations showing approval/disapproval? There's that SI NASCAR story that's making the rounds... It makes me wonder. I worked in a racetrack pressbox, and turf writers, as McKenna and Perrone can testify, are an especially prickly bunch. Then again, you guys covering the Caps on 5 haven't just dropped a week's take home pay on bad Pick-6 tickets. @Nova: If a health issue dictates an early departure, no one would argue with that. And no, we don't feel 'superior' to anyone. @Jeremy: Go ahead and call us girls. We want the Cup every bit as much as you do. Just the sort of comment we thought this would spark. Kudos and thanks to all.

What struck us most on Tuesday was the spontaneity of the outburst (as if we’ve never seen a crappy PP before), out of nowhere it filled the arena. We were more surprised than anything else because it seemed so out of character. I stand by the characterization as ‘classless’ given the circumstances of Tuesday’s game.

Givens: We all pay dearly for those seats. We all want to see the Caps crush the opposition.

Some have said booing is the only way to let management/ownership know we’re not happy with the team’s performance. I don’t agree. There are plenty of avenues for that, as evidenced here: http://www.tedstake.com/2011/03/03/boooo-2/

@Dave: Do credentialed journalists who cover the game have special considerations showing approval/disapproval? There’s that SI NASCAR story that’s making the rounds… It makes me wonder. I worked in a racetrack pressbox, and turf writers, as McKenna and Perrone can testify, are an especially prickly bunch. Then again, you guys covering the Caps on 5 haven’t just dropped a week’s take home pay on bad Pick-6 tickets.

@Nova: If a health issue dictates an early departure, no one would argue with that. And no, we don’t feel ‘superior’ to anyone.

@Jeremy: Go ahead and call us girls. We want the Cup every bit as much as you do.

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By: Alan http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-291 Alan Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:11:22 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-291 I am not a fan of booing the home team. The only time it seems to make sense to me is when an individual player seems to have quit on the team or that player is obviously not hustling. I recall booing Stackhouse when he was a Wizard and he wanted out and was obviously not playing hard. I booed (incorrectly)N. Morgan last year when he threw his glove and We (fans) thought he had quit on the play. (Wrong, He thought it was over the fence) So individuals sometimes need to be booed, but the team as a whole don't think it helps. I am not a fan of booing the home team. The only time it seems to make sense to me is when an individual player seems to have quit on the team or that player is obviously not hustling. I recall booing Stackhouse when he was a Wizard and he wanted out and was obviously not playing hard. I booed (incorrectly)N. Morgan last year when he threw his glove and We (fans) thought he had quit on the play. (Wrong, He thought it was over the fence) So individuals sometimes need to be booed, but the team as a whole don’t think it helps.

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By: Jeremy http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-290 Jeremy Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:46:38 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-290 Angie -- don't boo. That's fine. You may see booing as kicking someone when they're down. I see sitting silently by as someone floats around to their own demise as inadvertently contributing to the problem. And, as there is no other way for me to help Floatvechkin see that he is shirking his duty and it's obvious, I'm going to let him hear what I have to say. (And from 5 rows behind the bench, when it gets quiet, I'm pretty confident he hears me. I know Smitty the trainer sure does.) Another thing I don't get: all the love for Ted Leonsis as "arguably the best owner in sports"... Nobody's said that here, but that sentiment is hardly uncommon. And it's relative to my frustration. Why is this man called by so many as the "best owner in sports"? Because he emails fans and has a blog (which he censors all of the responses, posts what he chooses, and writes about being "transparent")? Ted has owned the team since 1999-2000. He's owned the Mystics since 2005-2006. And he has owned the Wizards since last year. All time, here's his record for the first two teams since his Wizards are still mid-season his first year: CAPITALS: 10 seasons, 5 playoff appearances, 1 series win in 6 attempts MYSTICS: 6 seasons, 3 playoff appearances, 0 series wins in 3 attempts That's 16 seasons of play, 8 playoff appearances, 1 for 9 in series attempts. Said more succinctly: 1 playoff series win in SIXTEEN seasons of professional sports competition. A .006 percentage. THIS is "arguably one of the best owners in sports?" Ted has received far more credit than he deserves. I'm sorry, having the lottery ball go your way and drafting a generational player (Ovechkin -- this Floatvechkin year aside) is not a "strategy." How many new fans know of Ted's infamous "five-year" plan for the Capitals? That went kaboom right about the time he wrestled the fan on the concourse. So the frustration I feel, the emotion behind the Islander "game" booing, is real and deeply rooted. To see THESE PLAYERS skate around as if they couldn't care -- just after losing a guy like Steckel -- as their hapless coach watches the TV screen and the don't-do-anything-but-blog-about-yourself owner sits in his box is too much. Losing? Fine. 1-0 or 5-4. Fine. Skating around like you can't be bothered between TV shoots and radio appearances? Sorry. BTW, the jury is still out but here's Ted's 3/4ths of a year as owner of the Wizards: WIZARDS: 1 season (15-45 to date). Angie — don’t boo. That’s fine. You may see booing as kicking someone when they’re down. I see sitting silently by as someone floats around to their own demise as inadvertently contributing to the problem. And, as there is no other way for me to help Floatvechkin see that he is shirking his duty and it’s obvious, I’m going to let him hear what I have to say. (And from 5 rows behind the bench, when it gets quiet, I’m pretty confident he hears me. I know Smitty the trainer sure does.)

Another thing I don’t get: all the love for Ted Leonsis as “arguably the best owner in sports”… Nobody’s said that here, but that sentiment is hardly uncommon. And it’s relative to my frustration.

Why is this man called by so many as the “best owner in sports”? Because he emails fans and has a blog (which he censors all of the responses, posts what he chooses, and writes about being “transparent”)? Ted has owned the team since 1999-2000. He’s owned the Mystics since 2005-2006. And he has owned the Wizards since last year. All time, here’s his record for the first two teams since his Wizards are still mid-season his first year:

CAPITALS: 10 seasons, 5 playoff appearances, 1 series win in 6 attempts
MYSTICS: 6 seasons, 3 playoff appearances, 0 series wins in 3 attempts

That’s 16 seasons of play, 8 playoff appearances, 1 for 9 in series attempts. Said more succinctly:

1 playoff series win in SIXTEEN seasons of professional sports competition. A .006 percentage.

THIS is “arguably one of the best owners in sports?”

Ted has received far more credit than he deserves. I’m sorry, having the lottery ball go your way and drafting a generational player (Ovechkin — this Floatvechkin year aside) is not a “strategy.” How many new fans know of Ted’s infamous “five-year” plan for the Capitals? That went kaboom right about the time he wrestled the fan on the concourse.

So the frustration I feel, the emotion behind the Islander “game” booing, is real and deeply rooted. To see THESE PLAYERS skate around as if they couldn’t care — just after losing a guy like Steckel — as their hapless coach watches the TV screen and the don’t-do-anything-but-blog-about-yourself owner sits in his box is too much.

Losing? Fine. 1-0 or 5-4. Fine. Skating around like you can’t be bothered between TV shoots and radio appearances? Sorry.

BTW, the jury is still out but here’s Ted’s 3/4ths of a year as owner of the Wizards:

WIZARDS: 1 season (15-45 to date).

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By: SA-Town http://puckbuddys.com/2011/03/02/boo-urns/#comment-289 SA-Town Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:14:44 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=2054#comment-289 I also think we should glad it is just booing....in the old days people would put there lighters to pennies, and let those hot disks of joy fly...... I also think we should glad it is just booing….in the old days people would put there lighters to pennies, and let those hot disks of joy fly……

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