Comments on: What Ails the Isles And Who Is To Blame https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/ Boys Who Like Boys Who Like Hockey Sat, 30 Apr 2016 22:24:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: newyorkislanderfancentral https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3601 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:27:47 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3601 Facts 101: Cablevision Garden 16.5m taxpayer gift each year. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/arts/design/madison-square-gardens-permit-is-up-for-renewal.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&ref=arts&adxnnlx=1360855639-d9CS+MnXidEILWM850ASkQ

Tenant Charles Wang: Kate Murray, Joe Mondello, Al D’Amato and spending to repair a building he does not own after running around for a decade while Dolan calls Shelly Silver and says ” Where’s my check ” with Bloomberg court side.

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By: Isles Fanatic https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3599 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:44:39 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3599 I think he just does not understand that I understood his point of view. I just did not agree with his half truths`s and his side-steps…hehehe

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By: RoseTintedVisor https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3598 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:41:15 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3598 YOURE ACTUALLY COUNTING THAT THOMAS CAP HIT. Amazing. We know you are on the payroll. We’re going to find out exactly which front office guy you are soon enough.

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By: newyorkislanderfancentral https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3596 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:10:10 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3596 Education 101: Feel free to read what other teams receive from taxpayers in modern buildings while Wang get’s privilege of renovating a building he’s a tenant in.

Look at what Nashville has given the Predators:http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120429/NEWS01/304290057/Profit-eludes-Nashville-Predators-despite-ice-success-public-money

Go ahead read it and see why the playing field has not been level for Wang since day one.

Edmonton, Phoenix, Quebec, Seattle plus many other NHL teams giving teams money including NYR at 11-15m a year with money Devils receive while Ed Snider got his Lighthouse from the taxpayers and a brand new AHL arena.

Charles Wang? He got Kate Murray, Ed Mangano and Jay Jacobs with his PSL. The previous generation got Judy Jacobs and Tom Gulotta.

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By: newyorkislanderfancentral https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3595 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:40:04 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3595 Obviously you are not interested in understanding my point correctly. You wanted free agents but refuse to acknowledge for ownership or management to acquire those kids of players in terms of revenue streams from ticket sales or a modern facility. Pittsburgh got their slots license building, Corey Booker gave the Devils the keys to the bank and still lost money. Cablevision and Comcast NBC/Smg/ Flyers (Ed Snider got his taxpayer funded Lighthouse) will write off all the red ink they can for advantages and have corporate Knick support.

If Wang came in and did what Milstein did he would be at fault, he spent from Hamrlik to Reinhart and from the free agents themselves (Ehrhoff, Martin, Smyth) at least Wang offered them some very high contracts but not front-loaded.

Isles current payroll 53m not counting Joensuu.
Cap floor 44m.

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By: Isles Fanatic https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3594 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:25:49 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3594 So if I understand your point of view correctly, the fact that the team has been languishing at the bottom of the conference for that past 6 yrs or so, is the fault of politicians, publicly funded buildings in other cities, AND also blame should be placed at the feet of the fans for not willing to come to games through all these bottom of the league finishes. Wang and Snow are without reproach, they can do no wrong?

You seem to want to say that Wang and Snow are but poor simple guys trying their best and nothing is their fault or we should not ask them to take responsibility for anything Islanders related, especially with regards to the on-ice product. Its just not their fault huh… Are you sure you would not like to also blame Santa, the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy while your at it???….hehehe….

Oh, and your salary numbers are also B.S. No matter what you say or how you try to spin it, it does not change the fact the Islanders are a salary cap floor team, and have been for quite a few years now.

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By: newyorkislanderfancentral https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3593 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:52:16 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3593 I’m sad for writing the truth based on education? That you want the owner to pay for everything and go bankrupt or he’s a bad owner after a decade plus of getting his head handed to him financially?

And your true fans don’t fill the seats here. Not from 1989 on not in the early rounds of 92-93 playoffs and not in first half of 2001-02. Florida outdrew this franchise ten years in a row, Atlanta outdrew them every year but two including the year they moved.

What happened in 2006-07 when Snow traded for Smyth in 6th place? 12,500 against the Blues.

Education 101: Chicago won the Stanley Cup and lost money, feel free to read it from the owner himself in the days after http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-07-30/business/ct-biz-0730-confidential-hawks-20100730_1_rocky-wirtz-wirtz-corp-bill-wirtz

The Isles payroll is around 53 million with Bailey, the cap 44m. Joensuu will be activated at some point. Wang’s payroll was 45m before any cap with teams like Nashville under 30m.

It takes time to get better now in a division packed with corporate teams in taxpayer funded buildings with fans willing to pay hundreds for tickets vs fans who will not spent $25.00 for tickets in a buidling where they cannot make a profit.

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By: Isles Fanatic https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3592 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:37:43 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3592 Dude, you are one sad puppy dog….

Firstly, the role of any GM is to provide players to a coaching staff that have a chance to win a championship….period. Failure to do so over an extented period of time should and does result in the GM getting fired, failure to make the playoffs always result in changing the culture and direction of a team….Columbus and Toronto are but recent examples… Chicago struggled due to poor ownership decisions, when the onwer died, the team made appropriate changes in the way they were structured and improved and won a cup.

Secondly, Yes I want Ownership to pay whatever they need to pay to get a winning product on the ice…. WHY you ask….well cause it ain`t my money….plain and simple. So what if the ticket prices get raised, A true fan will pay extra to see a winning product that has the depth to compete on a nightly basis and WIN. It is not for me as a fan to figure out how, that is why teams (that are succesful) have presidents, marketing experts, GMs…to figure that stuff out. Not us as fans.

Thirdly, you talk alot about the past… knowing the past should help you avoid the same errors n the future, but you seem to love to dwell in it, and cover yourself in it, to justify mediocrity, which hey, its a free country, so go ahead and fill your boots…. BUT I strive for the future and want the NOW to be succesful.

Fourthly, The Islanders are not 12 M over the cap floor this season, nor last, nor the one before that, etc… Spew whatever number ou wish, informed fans know betteré

Everyone has a right to their opinions, even those such as yours, BUT that does not mean you speak with an informed and educated voice.

Again, I love my Islanders, but that does not mean I accept their path of mediocrity… I deserve better Now, today and tomorrow, regardless of the past.

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By: newyorkislanderfancentral https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3591 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:17:09 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3591 You want Wang to pay for the best players that means 100m dollar contracts, that means front-loading, that means Islander fans have to pay Cablevision, Comcast, Little Ceasar’s/Amway Red Wings ticket prices to offset the cost of those contracts and it means the local government has to subsidize the team with taxpayer money. Wang after 2001-02 raised ticket prices to pay for his 130m in contracts fans stayed home like he committed a crime. He raises ticket prices to the league avg fans stay home and were doing that starting in 1989.

What was Mario doing with the same Smg? Selling Kovalev to the Rangers in an eight player deal where Cablevision paid all eight players for the rest of the season. Wang spent on trades for Hamrlik, Aucoin, Niinimaa to go with keeping Jonsson.

I don’t talk smack. Hunter, Witt were excellent contracts the fans demanded and beyond the owner when both got hurt. Nielsen both contracts were excellent, same as MacDonald and Streit was a flat out steal. Wang did not front-load Smyth, Gomez, Drury, along with the countless long-term busts contracts handed out to Wisniewski or Ehrhoff, Paul Martin in some brutal UFA markets.

Funny all I read is Isles are cap circumventing despite being 12m above the floor who got nothing but abuse for not trading vets like Satan at the deadline.

And please stop telling us about six years, Florida, St Louis, Cablevision, Chicago, Atlanta, Toronto, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Edmonton have had periods of losing for as long or longer. You really going to tell me George McFly in Washington who signed Jagr and dumped him is a better gm than Snow or Ed Snider’s latest puppet who signed Bruno Gervais and a generation of goalies who cannot stop a beach ball are and better beyond dumping their front-loaded Comcast mistakes on other teams?

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By: Isles Fanatic https://puckbuddys.com/2013/02/12/what-ails-the-isles-who-is-to-blame/#comment-3590 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 02:08:41 +0000 http://puckbuddys.com/?p=9508#comment-3590 Yes, as a fan I want my team to pay for the best players…. and no I do not need to care about the past political follies, the team is moving to Brooklin in 2 yrs… I am a fan, I want a winning product on the ice, don`t cry about so called back luck, those contrats you mention were bad contracts and should never have been signed.

Wang tries, but again, there is a saying that I believe came from Einstein…. INSANITY is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. You talk good smack but you also need to stick your head up. We can either say….for the next X number of years thank you Charles and bow down to him for persevering or we can stand up and say, it is just not enough, we are sick and tired of being bottom feeders and we want a winner. Six years of no playoffs would cost any and every GM their jobs, except on Long Island….

As fans, we deserve better, you can continue to justify status quo….or you can demand better….I choose to demand better.

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